maybe the site -- >> it's about the lousy law itself. >> it's about the law and like it or not, politicians, my friend right here, like it or -- what are you, mother teresa? >> i'm not running for anything. it's going to be two or three years before anybody has an answer whether this has worked or not worked. so, i know that that's -- >> if the web site leads people to something that is jaw-dropping, the prices aren't what they -- >> you're overstating that -- >> no, no. obviously that is what is happening. >> some people are getting to the web site, seeing prices -- i mean, hosted a radio show this morning. i about that. it's more expensive than i can afford. however other people are getting there, like me, who went to the web site here in new york, and discovered that my insurance -- i'm switching it to -- is going to cost me less than half of what i've been paying. >> you have to be an exception to a lousy rule, i say. >> the premium increase is a disaster. insurance companies are still saying that the web site is not able to give people correct information. >> he is lying. you're saying